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John 17:12 · World English Bible

John 17:12 Meaning While I Was with Them

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. I have kept those whom you have given me. None of them is lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

What does John 17:12 mean?

To keep them in the name is to hold them in a nature, for a name is the feeling-state a thing carries. The awareness that plays every human part holds each of its states safe within the sense of being it wears, and not one is finally destroyed.

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To keep them in the name is to hold them in a nature, for a name is the feeling-state a thing carries. The awareness that plays every human part holds each of its states safe within the sense of being it wears, and not one is finally destroyed. Every self a person passes through is preserved; nothing that enters this drama is truly cancelled, since all of it is the one being trying on forms.

The son of perdition, the one that seems lost, is the belief in loss itself, the conviction that something can be taken away for good. That state too plays its part, because the whole pattern must be lived through before it is understood. Even the sense of losing is a role the one actor wears, and its ending completes the story rather than breaking it. Loss is a state passed through, not a thing that happens to you.

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Live John 17:12 today

  1. Think of one thing you are afraid of losing, and sit with the fear itself for a minute instead of the scenario. The fear is the part you can set down today.
  2. If someone tells you about something they are losing, a job, a plan, a relationship, stay with them in it and skip the reassurance. Being unafraid beside them is the help.
  3. When a change gets forced on you this week, let the first reaction pass before you decide what it means. The ground under you is not what moved.

What am I bracing against, as if the losing of it could take me with it?

The same truth in other traditions

Buddhism · Heart Sutra

Nothing is truly born and nothing truly destroyed, so what seems to vanish has only changed shape. The fear of losing is heavier than the losing.

Taoism · Chuang Tzu

He told of a man grieving until he saw his wife's death as one more turn in the seasons, and the grief loosened. The forms come and go; what moves through them is not spent.

Stoicism · Epictetus

Never say a thing is lost, say it is given back. You were holding it, not owning it.

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